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		<title>By: TV Talk From Fellow TV Addicts &#187; the TV addict</title>
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		<description>[...] Although not usually one to pick a fight, Dan expressed some annoyance with the portrayal of gay folks on SNL and Bromance. (TiFaux) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TV Blog Coalition - March 13-15 &#124; Daemon's TV</title>
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		<dc:creator>TV Blog Coalition - March 13-15 &#124; Daemon's TV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Although not usually one to pick a fight, Dan expressed some annoyance with the portrayal of gay folks on SNL and Bromance. (TiFaux) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as Rudd not being mad/grossed out at the kiss goes, that&#039;s the whole crux of the issue for me.  Even if they aren&#039;t actively ridiculing gay folks, they must know that some peoples&#039; discomfort toward same-sex kissing will come into play within the joke and thereby make it funnier. 

The whole device of role-switching is helpful.  If a woman kissed Paul Rudd after what she thought was a date, it would be extremely awkward, a little sad and a little funny (in a schadenfreude kind of way).  But substitute a man and it amplifies the &quot;funny&quot; times a thousand. Plus, as you said, putting it in the trailer is proof that a lot people are going to see it outside the context of the whole movie -- and they&#039;re just going to laugh because they think two dudes kissing is a riot.

As I tried to express, it&#039;s not intolerance. But it is irksome that a fundamental aspect of one&#039;s life could be (for lack of a better, milder word) exploited for a laugh, especially for a supposedly enlightened crew.  I mean, I was never upset at I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry because it&#039;s fucking Adam Sandler.

My sentiment can be best expressed with a sigh, slight eye roll and a muttering of &quot;Really?!&quot;

For what it&#039;s worth, I don&#039;t mind the treatment of the affectionate male friendships in Scrubs and Superbad because they have a sweetness about them that is definitely lacking in the SNL sketches (and perhaps ILYM, but I don&#039;t know -- only seen the trailer).

And I thought about mentioning the gay Samberg character, but it was a bit of a distraction.  I have some thoughts about it, but I&#039;ll save it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as Rudd not being mad/grossed out at the kiss goes, that&#8217;s the whole crux of the issue for me.  Even if they aren&#8217;t actively ridiculing gay folks, they must know that some peoples&#8217; discomfort toward same-sex kissing will come into play within the joke and thereby make it funnier. </p>
<p>The whole device of role-switching is helpful.  If a woman kissed Paul Rudd after what she thought was a date, it would be extremely awkward, a little sad and a little funny (in a schadenfreude kind of way).  But substitute a man and it amplifies the &#8220;funny&#8221; times a thousand. Plus, as you said, putting it in the trailer is proof that a lot people are going to see it outside the context of the whole movie &#8212; and they&#8217;re just going to laugh because they think two dudes kissing is a riot.</p>
<p>As I tried to express, it&#8217;s not intolerance. But it is irksome that a fundamental aspect of one&#8217;s life could be (for lack of a better, milder word) exploited for a laugh, especially for a supposedly enlightened crew.  I mean, I was never upset at I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry because it&#8217;s fucking Adam Sandler.</p>
<p>My sentiment can be best expressed with a sigh, slight eye roll and a muttering of &#8220;Really?!&#8221;</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I don&#8217;t mind the treatment of the affectionate male friendships in Scrubs and Superbad because they have a sweetness about them that is definitely lacking in the SNL sketches (and perhaps ILYM, but I don&#8217;t know &#8212; only seen the trailer).</p>
<p>And I thought about mentioning the gay Samberg character, but it was a bit of a distraction.  I have some thoughts about it, but I&#8217;ll save it.</p>
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something I like about the trailer for I Love You Man is that while audiences may squeal or giggle when the guy kisses Rudd (as audiences I&#039;ve been with certainly did), it doesn&#039;t look to me like the movie is really going in that eww-that-was-weird!!! direction. If you look at Rudd&#039;s actual reaction, his character doesn&#039;t seem mad or grossed out about it, just sort of puzzled.  Actually, I think the underplaying of it versus typical comedy expectations is what makes it funny. Though obviously it was put into the trailer for a big-yuk reaction.

(Also, possibly appropos of nothing, Andy Samberg&#039;s character, Rudd&#039;s brother, is apparently gay in the movie? Though I see that&#039;s not really clear from the trailer.)

But I think what a lot of these movies -- if not SNL sketches, since they do tend to go for whatever laugh, even if ti&#039;s cheap -- are actually about is male friendship.  And I think that is rich territory, playing on how guys are &quot;supposed&quot; to act towards each other and how some men express (or don&#039;t) those warmer feelings... that&#039;s something I loved about Superbad, which found humor in how much those two guys really depended on each other without making it about how that&#039;s weird or &quot;looks gay&quot; or something. On TV, Scrubs, actually, does this really well, I think. It&#039;s sort of a running gag that JD and Turk are super-duper close and affectionate, but it doesn&#039;t come off as cheap shots to me.

To me, the greater issue is whether some of these writers/actors/etc. might eventually show an interest in exploring other types of relationships in an equally funny, affectionate, but not soapy/sappy sort of way -- like having a female character who isn&#039;t mainly a love interest or a gay character where that&#039;s not his or her #1 character trait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something I like about the trailer for I Love You Man is that while audiences may squeal or giggle when the guy kisses Rudd (as audiences I&#8217;ve been with certainly did), it doesn&#8217;t look to me like the movie is really going in that eww-that-was-weird!!! direction. If you look at Rudd&#8217;s actual reaction, his character doesn&#8217;t seem mad or grossed out about it, just sort of puzzled.  Actually, I think the underplaying of it versus typical comedy expectations is what makes it funny. Though obviously it was put into the trailer for a big-yuk reaction.</p>
<p>(Also, possibly appropos of nothing, Andy Samberg&#8217;s character, Rudd&#8217;s brother, is apparently gay in the movie? Though I see that&#8217;s not really clear from the trailer.)</p>
<p>But I think what a lot of these movies &#8212; if not SNL sketches, since they do tend to go for whatever laugh, even if ti&#8217;s cheap &#8212; are actually about is male friendship.  And I think that is rich territory, playing on how guys are &#8220;supposed&#8221; to act towards each other and how some men express (or don&#8217;t) those warmer feelings&#8230; that&#8217;s something I loved about Superbad, which found humor in how much those two guys really depended on each other without making it about how that&#8217;s weird or &#8220;looks gay&#8221; or something. On TV, Scrubs, actually, does this really well, I think. It&#8217;s sort of a running gag that JD and Turk are super-duper close and affectionate, but it doesn&#8217;t come off as cheap shots to me.</p>
<p>To me, the greater issue is whether some of these writers/actors/etc. might eventually show an interest in exploring other types of relationships in an equally funny, affectionate, but not soapy/sappy sort of way &#8212; like having a female character who isn&#8217;t mainly a love interest or a gay character where that&#8217;s not his or her #1 character trait.</p>
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		<title>By: Cass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you, dan, for posting about this! it&#039;s really been irking me as well. kind of like how all frat boys think that the go-to halloween costume for big laughs is to dress up like a girl. get it through your head: it&#039;s not as funny as you think it is! 

i was particularly irritated by jimmy kimmel&#039;s &quot;i&#039;m f*ing ben affleck&quot; response to sarah silverman&#039;s &quot;i&#039;m f*ing matt damon&quot; video. people went wild over both videos, but while i thought silverman&#039;s was fun and funny, kimmel&#039;s was annoying and uninspired--exactly what you&#039;re talking about here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you, dan, for posting about this! it&#8217;s really been irking me as well. kind of like how all frat boys think that the go-to halloween costume for big laughs is to dress up like a girl. get it through your head: it&#8217;s not as funny as you think it is! </p>
<p>i was particularly irritated by jimmy kimmel&#8217;s &#8220;i&#8217;m f*ing ben affleck&#8221; response to sarah silverman&#8217;s &#8220;i&#8217;m f*ing matt damon&#8221; video. people went wild over both videos, but while i thought silverman&#8217;s was fun and funny, kimmel&#8217;s was annoying and uninspired&#8211;exactly what you&#8217;re talking about here.</p>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See also: Steve Carell kissing Dwayne Johnson in &lt;i&gt;Get Smart&lt;/i&gt;. Which was played for aversion purposes rather than laughs, but, well, I was watching it alone. People probably laughed in the theater.

My roommate brought up this point with regard to &lt;i&gt;I Love You, Man&lt;/i&gt;—that she was kind of hesitant about the movie because she thought there would be a lot of those awkward &quot;no really, we&#039;re not gay, &lt;i&gt;no really&lt;/i&gt;&quot; jokes, and we&#039;re both kind of tired of that. I suppose I trust Paul Rudd not to go for that easy joke a little more than I trust Judd Apatow, because I think he&#039;s been getting a little lazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also: Steve Carell kissing Dwayne Johnson in <i>Get Smart</i>. Which was played for aversion purposes rather than laughs, but, well, I was watching it alone. People probably laughed in the theater.</p>
<p>My roommate brought up this point with regard to <i>I Love You, Man</i>—that she was kind of hesitant about the movie because she thought there would be a lot of those awkward &#8220;no really, we&#8217;re not gay, <i>no really</i>&#8221; jokes, and we&#8217;re both kind of tired of that. I suppose I trust Paul Rudd not to go for that easy joke a little more than I trust Judd Apatow, because I think he&#8217;s been getting a little lazy.</p>
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